Last updated on November 13, 2019
Paige: Hey everyone, welcome back, I’m Paige.
Gavin: I’m Gavin.
P: And this week we have a new name for our podcast. Our Podcast was recently named effortless.
G: That’s right, its part of a larger project that we have going on called Project Bloom. Which is started currently at Saint Joseph’s University where we are indeed students and hopefully it’ll branch out into other universities and institutions in the future, but for now, effortless is gonna be the name of our podcast. We’re gonna have a joint podcast also operating under Project Bloom, but that is what we are gonna be doing for now. Our topic last week was focused mostly on universal design. Once again this is a podcast about universal design and accessibility, and all of the challenges and issues related to it. Last week we talked a little bit about the difference between the two terms and what universal design focused on. And this week we are gonna be changing topics a little bit.
P: Yes so this week we are going to be talking a little bit more about public safety on our schools campus, what that looks like for students who struggle to get around campus. Whether that be from a disability or from a current injury and it’s actually really perfect week to talk about this because the whole purpose behind the name of our podcast, effortless, is that it takes effort to be effortless. So, we’re gonna find that a lot throughout our discussion today. We want everybody to keep in mind what is Public Safety’s main role. Is it to transport students? Is it to patrol the campus and the surrounding areas? Should there be a whole other department in charge of students that need help getting to classes that have injuries or disabilities?
G: Exactly, and to help us answer that questions were going to be interviewing a couple of students currently juniors at the university who have not necessarily, they don’t have a long term disability, but they have suffered injuries which have impaired their ability to get around campus and we’re gonna talk to them a little bit about their experiences, their issues, and what they feel might be helpful for other people facing the same problem.
P: Exactly and before we interview them, which you’ll hear in a little bit, we wanted to kinda dig through the archives a little bit and find out what Public Safety’s track record or history has been here on Saint Joe’s. So we started to dig through the archives of Public Safety a little bit and its seemed natural that the first place you would look is The Hawk newspaper, which is run by students on campus and we wanted to get a look into if any articles were written about Public Safety and their history here.
G: That’s right. Students record a number of different issues. The reports that The Hawk dug into a few different cases. And we’re not gonna go into too many specifics of the article but, to talk a little bit specifically about issues that students face in getting around. They, some students dealt with ramps that essentially turned into stairs, meaning that they would have to find another way around campus. The same student who was interviewed typically had to call Public Safety in the middle of his class because there’s generally a fifteen minute wait time required and he had several classes in a row. So in order to get to class somewhat on time consistently, he would just have to break his concentration, call Public Safety, and make sure they were on the way. And even then it was a sort of an estimate.
P: Yeah and this kinda, is an attribute to the larger issue of accessibility and universal design which is the main purpose of this podcast which is the fact that if you need to use a different means of getting around a building or getting around a campus or getting anywhere, that you’re different, and that’s not true. That’s not what we want to emulate. So this is just a good example of a time where accessibility wasnt equal for all and how it could have just been fixed in the building of a building or in the production of a campus. But, moving forward because we are working on making those changes, we see that we wanted to kinda delve a little bit more into whose job this is.
G: That’s right. And you know, students have said the culture at Saint Joe’s with regard to accessibility and disability has been very positive. Students felt that in terms of individual support, they felt it everywhere. You know, people were very sympathetic to whatever issue they were dealing with. But, since there aren’t that many people who consistently deal with disability at Saint Joe’s, there hasn’t been the demand to come up with a comprehensive solution. So, there is a committee existanting on campus regarding accessibility and it meets a couple of times a year to determine changes have to be made, but there’s not much more of a discussion of needs beyond that. So, in terms of day-to-day activity and how students get around, it’s a little bit negulus trying to figure out who’s responsible for maybe Public Safety, maybe the office of Disability Services, maybe some other institution that hasnt been started yet.
P: Yeah we, The Hawk had reached out to Dr. Mecke of the SJU Student Disability Services and she said that they only meet twice a year. So Gavin said twice a year for updates to discuss something on this campus for people’s concerns are constantly changing it’s really surprising for a school, especially of Saint Joe’s size. But, we had also reached out to Public Safety and we want to make it clear that we are not making or putting blame on any type of person or institution or organization and its merely just to open up a discussion on this topic rather than assign blame because that’s, we’re all working towards the greater good and that we truly do believe that.
G: Correct, we did reach out to the office of Public Safety. They politely declined to have someone come on the podcast.
G: But their assertion was that they wouldn’t be able to offer substantial contribution, which may very well be true. So to be fair—
P: 100%, they might not be able to offer the answers that we are looking for. They may be a little bit unclear about what this podcast means or the overall goal and maybe later in the semester when it becomes more prominent with what we are doing, we can reach out again and maybe they will feel more comfortable to add some substance to the podcast. But it comes back to the real question of what is Public Safety more responsible for? Is it for the safety of the campus rather than the accessibility of the campus? If so, what department is responsible for insuring students can safely and effectively navigate the campus? Should the students disability services have an umbrella that reaches over that or are they just solely in charge of helping students get to class or from class to class or is this the role of each person? Or where is it more clearly defined?
G: Right and this is why it is helpful I think to all of our listeners to hear words from the students who have been on the ground with this.
P: For our first interview we decided to talk to Jessie, a junior here at saint joseph’s university who has some experience using saint joseph’s disability student services. Hi jessie welcome.
J: Hi! Thanks for having me Paige.
P: How are you doing today?
J: I’m good how are you?
P: Good, thank you so much for coming in. So we are going to talk a little bit about your personal experience of Public Safety. So, could you give us a little bit of an overview of why you rely on Public Safety some time?
J: I rely sometimes on Public Safety when I can’t get around the campus. More likely I use disability services and they make sure my classes are all together instead of having to use Public Safety as much.
P: Awesome, why did you decide to come to St. Joes?
J: So I wanted to come to St. Joes for the Food marketing co op program because I am really interested in food marketing and my cousins are all in the food industry at one point so I really enjoy doing that.
P: That’s awesome, so was having easy access to campus in the back of your mind when you were looking at schools or were there something that the major overrode in terms of importance?
J: Yeah it was definitely one of my biggest concerns when I was looking at schools. I know I took out a lot of the schools that I was looking at because of the accessibility not being good enough or campus. I think that I did make some sacrifices and changes to what I needed to the major that I have but to disability services kinda insured me that they would be able to make it work for me.
P: Tell me more about Disability services. Do you have somebody that you can talk to frequently or is there a main person or someone for each week or how are you really contacted?
J: So I have two people that are in charge of my case in disability services so dr. mecke and patriciaa greg. so patricia greg is more my person that i work with because she organizes where my classes are so they are all in the same building or nearer the same buildings. And Dr. Mecke kind of just oversees and made my disability plan.
P: Thank you so much for sharing because that is not something that we are really trying to highlight on this podcast is just steps the school is already taking to ensure that people that currently have a disability, permanent or not, are able to go around on campus so it is great to hear that the school is working in small ways that classes are close together. So on bad days or days where you are not feeling too typically well, how do you get to class?
J: During my freshman year when I had more issues, I had a scooter for when I would be going to and from class. and then other times, like now, when I am off campus. I just drive to campus and then I find a parking spot that is near campus but I try to get a disability placard through the school but you have to go through the big organizations like the state of Pennsylvania to do it instead.
P: Ok, so for the school to accept it, they make you get a placard through an outside source to be accepted and then get the placard. Ok, that is very interesting that is not something that i would’ve accepted to hear so tell a little bit more about and experience that you have had with PS that you really appreciated.
J: I mean I honestly really haven’t used Public Safety that much for my disability due to disability services making my classes close together. I probably could of used their help more but I just didn’t reach out because a lot of people say that they are unreliable or take a lot of time to get to and from classes and I thought that I couldn’t use the service because technically there was nothing that you could see that there was nothing physically wrong with me.
P: Interesting, well thank you so much for sharing so much about that it really seems like disability services I am seeing now is something that we should do a little bit more research on so I always tell our listeners that Gavin and I are too totally new at this so this. So, Disability Services is something that we truly need to look into now so we will make a note and maybe the next couple podcast weeks we can talk a little bit more about what Disability Services does for students on campus. You have had positive experiences with Disability Services?
J: Yeah I think they are great on campus they really work well with me. I have a note taker in all of my classes and they make sure that I can get to and from classes and they really work really well to make sure that I am able to go to all of the classes that i can’t physically go to.
P: Awesome so we found that disability services has meetings twice a year to reevaluate places on campus that maybe need improvement. is there any places of improvement that you could see?
J: Yes so I actually was involved in that meeting during the fall and I did point out that the ramp near campion that goes down to the Bellarmine is just too steep to go down into and is too steep to go up which is problematic when I had to use my scooter one time it would go down really fast and when I was trying to get up it could barely get up the hills so that being an option for people that have disabilities it doesn’t really seem that practical compared to what they want it to. Also, the doors are really heavy on campus so trying to change that kind of atmosphere in having that buttons work without having it to be at a certain time (because they don’t work early in the morning most of the time).
P: Yeah, the doors are really really heavy on campus. The library doors, one of them’s always broken. So, even just thinking of somebody who could be in a wheelchair like getting through one of those two double doors is quite a hassle so it’s a really good point to bring that up is something were happy that you brought up the disability services. What is something that you think the school could do in general to better serve students who rely on services or public safety on campus?
J: i think the best thing they could do is have like, a more direct path for students that can’t get through campus because you have to go a very like, weird way around to be able to get to Mandeville and then you have to like, be able to go like around to get to Bellarmine and then go like it’s a very long extensive way to get there which is like problematic. I know i’ve seen like a lot of people, they walk around on campus and they can’t, when they have crutches and they cant get on the stairs or they have to figure out another way which is more effort for them which makes people more tired since you have to go farther around.
P: Yeah, that’s a trouble – quarter mile out of their way to get to class. That does not sound like something that’s appealing. It’s been a little bit cause you’re a junior now right? SO it’s been a little bit since you’ve looked at schools. Could you recall how saint joes compared to other schools you were looking at in terms of disability services?
J: Yes, one of the schools that really stands out to me that was not ideal at all was Bryant University, the way that they had their residence halls is that you had to be able to to like get up a flight of stairs which like I don’t know how is legal but they had it situated like that and then manhattan college, their campus was very more difficult, even here to get around.
P: Interesting. So saint joes, you knew was making progress, but we still have some area for improvement like barbelin hall has no elevators. Things like that is quite difficult to get around. What would you like to see a podcast like this or project like this like the Bloom Project, address on campus?
J: I think the best thing that can be addressed is that they should make it more accessible for everyone and instead of spending a lot of money on sports or different activities, like focus on rebuilding larger pathways and rebuilding some of the just roads in general because there are a lot of cracks in the road on campus which causes – when you’re not totally paying attention anyone could fall but if anyone with a disability falls, it’s a much worse situation.
P: That’s a great note to make. Thank you so much for coming and speaking with us. It was great to have you in and we’ll definitely reach out a little bit more about student disability services. Thank you so much.
J: No problem.
G: So for our next interview we’ll be talking a little bit about student experiences with public safety and how athletes deal with injuries they suffer and how it affects their ability to move around campus.
G: Hey guys. SO for this interview we have our friend Ryan here. Ryan thank you so much for coming on the show.
R: Yep, how are we doin?
G: Doin’ pretty well. So, give us a little bit of info about yourself for the listeners. What kind of stuff are you involved in what do you do in campus?
R: I am a junior at Saint Joseph’s. I’m a finance and food marketing double major. I’m Sigma Pi Epsilon fraternity on campus. I’m on the IFC board. I’ve been a manager for the basketball team
G: So funny you should mention the basketball team cause you’re here partially about an injury right?
G: So tell us a little bit about your injury, tell us when, how it happened. What was the surgery like? What was the recovery like and so on.
R: So, I got injured in the fall of 2017.
R: And I had surgery syllabus week, spring 2018. SO about a year ago from right now. So the recovery, I didn’t know it would be – I was in a full straight leg brace for like six weeks.
R: I thought I would be able to walk fine in a week. I thought I would just need crutches for a little while but that was not the case sadly. So I was, like, bedridden for two weeks and I couldn’t walk so I was not on campus I was at home for those two weeks.
R: And then I came back to school. All my teachers, they were fine with it. They were pretty cool with everything they just said whatever.
R: My one professor, I came to class hobbling on crutches and I was like hey here’s that doctor’s note. He just looked me up and down and said yeah I don’t need that.
G: *laughing* – Yeah. My understanding is that people on campus are actually pretty cool about the whole injury thing. You kinda get used to it
R: Yeah, everybody’s like — nobody looks at you differently. It’s just, the only bad part about it was the school isn’t called Hawk hill for nothing.
G: Oh yeah
R: Yeah know? What a hill. It is a hard to maneuver.
G: Right. A lot of vertical inclines and stairs. It’s a lot of fun.
R: Even if its a flight of stairs or a hill at a 45 degree angle. It’s very hard to walk.
G: So you had to go around the hill, you can’t take stairs. I mean what were your first couple of days or so back, kind of like? Did you have any idea how you were gonna approach getting around?
R: So, I just thought like, “OK, I’m just gonna use public safety, like, they drive people around, an like, that shouldn’t be a problem.”
R: And so, I was, um…I was looking online, for like, you know, what to do, and I came across an article from The Hawk, it was about accessibility on campus, and it was written, like, a year prior. It was from the perspective, of, I think she was like a soccer player, and she was in like, a boot, or something. She couldn’t really get around too good, and it was just about, like, Public Safety and, um…their inability to help out students like, um, that have a broken leg or something like that and can’t get around well. And so, when I read that, I was like, “Shoot. I’m in trouble.”
R: I mean literally, from my upper thigh to my ankle, it was a straight splint, so I was like, “Man, this is gonna be a rough semester for me.”
G: Yeah, so I take it public safety was not your best option?
R: I mean they were the only option.
G: Yeah, but they were not ideal?
R: When I got back to campus, I called up the public safety office and was like, “Hey, like I just had surgery or whatever, I can’t walk, I’m gonna need, like…rides.” And they were like, “Alright, just let us know when you need a ride.” I’m like, “OK, well I have class, Monday at 10:10 or whatever.” And they say, “Oh no, you have to call us 15 minutes before you need a ride.” And I was like, “Hold up. Every single time?” And they’re like “Yeah.” And I was like, “I have three back-to-backs, how am I supposed to get up, crutch my way out of class, call up public safety, like, get back into class, and then hope that the timing just works out and when the class ends they’ll be there?”
G: Right, yeah, that’s…it is sort of a strange system, I think that that article, or another article that was written afterward may have explained that a little bit, because they actually interviewed someone who had four classes in a row, essentially. He was on crutches, and he was saying they started dealing with an issue of students who’d call, then they would just never show up, so they made it so that you have to call individually every time. But because of that they really have no setup to, you know, make sure that people can consistently have a schedule in case they really consistently can’t get around. It’s not even like a safety thing.
R: So like my thing was like, I’m not gonna get up out of class, call every single time. So I’m just like, whatever, I’ll just walk, it’s not that big of a deal. It’s about 15 minutes, that’s…to go from say Mandeville to Bellarmine, that’s doable.
R: But…OK, so when I called, they said, “Don’t worry, we have like a list. And we’ll…it’s like priority if you have an injury.” But like, they never asked for like, they just said, “What’s your name?” I was like, “Ryan Injaian.” They didn’t ask how to spell it, like, would you know how to spell “Injaian?”
G: Phonetically, no. I’d need some help.
R: Yeah, so they just took that and were like, “Yeah whatever,” and just hung up on me. There’s no list, I bet.
R: So the first issue I read into was, so I lived in Rashford, Rashford Hall, which is on the most east side of campus, and I had a night class in Merion Hall, which is, like, the most farthest away…
G: Absolute opposite corner, yeah.
R: Furthest part of campus, so I was like “Alright, I got this, I’ll call 15 minutes ahead of time,” and I was on the fifth floor of Rashford so I would walk down, take the elevator down in 10 minutes, and be there to meet the driver.
R: And so I call, you know, I’m like, “Yeah, we got this,” and two of my roommates were in the class too, they were able-bodied, so they walked. So I head downstairs and…this was in January, so it was pretty chilly, you know, like 30 degrees, and it was nighttime too. So, outside of Rashford there’s like one bench you can sit on, and there’s a parking lot, so I you know, just perched up on the bench, saw my roommates walk by me, I’m like, “Yeah, see you there.” Then it’s about five minutes after I had called, like ten minutes after I’d called, um…and I was like, “Alright, I’ll just call again.” So I called them up and was like, “Hey, I got a class, starts at 6:30,” and it was still like only 5:50, 6:00, a bit of sun…and they’re like, “Yeah, uh…OK. He’s five minutes away. He was not five minutes away.
G: I could’ve guessed.
R: So I’m still waiting, sitting on that bench I haven’t been to this class yet and its three weeks in. So I was like man I’m gonna be late now hobbling in on crutches and there was a quiz that day too. He does the quizzes the first part of class.
R: So, I’m like man, so I call them up again and it’s like 6:45 now and I’m really mad at this point. So, I call them and say “guys this is this the fourth time I’ve called you, I literally cannot move, my class is a mile away why can’t you just do your job?” I was legitimately mad.
R: In so many words, you know. Pardon My French but I was very mad.
R: And the guy on the phone was like, “man I’m not taking this,” and he just hung up on me. I was like “man this sucks,” but eventually they did send somebody, and I like just take me to Merion I guess.
R: So I was very mad and that was how I got in contact with Arthur Grover, the director of public safety. And I got in contact with him about a month after I was out of my leg splint, I was still in physical therapy and stuff but I was able to walk to class now. I spoke to him and he was like, “Alright listen when do you need a ride to class? You won’t have to call us anymore we will be there after class.” I was like “Dude I can walk now.”
R: It shouldn’t take a month of haggling and hassling the department of public safety for you to just do your job correctly.
G: So, I take it this whole kind of experience just sort of piled on top of the troubles you were already having with this injury.
R: Yeah, it totally sucked man and public safety, they’re like the only viable option for me to get around campus.
R: And they had just really blown me off. Just the buildings themselves, like I had a class…a history class in Barbelin. There is no elevator there, so like my whole classroom I called the… I forget what office it was but I called them and then they were like, “alright your whole classroom is switched to Bellarmine.” So, I was like man… everyone is going to know it was my fault. *laughter*
R: And I mean you’ve probably had a class in Bellarmine? Right?
G: Oh, I have had plenty!
R: Those classrooms are like the size of a closet, like they are very small.
G: They’re pretty small.
R: There are about fifty desks in there.
R: So, I had to stumble into there and I couldn’t bend my legs so they were straight. And they are like those tiny desks.
R: So, I had to angle my right leg at an angle to the left hand aisle because the way the desks are made they have those places to put your books underneath.
R: So, I couldn’t straighten my leg out in front of me.
G: Wow! So, you had to go sort of like across your…?
R: No, I was like playing twister in the Bellarmine class room. It was so ridiculous.
G: Not the ideal spot for a game of twister.
R: No not at all.
G: So, yeah and we heard that issue before for sure because public safety isn’t necessarily dedicated to helping people getting around. That’s just like an incidental thing that they do. So, there is no specific service for it as of yet in terms of practical stuff like actually getting people around. So, I mean do you think there should be a dedicated thing like that? Like what would’ve like made this easy for you as the injured person?
R: I think like the biggest thing, like if we were like more of a normal campus where it wasn’t so hilly, I don’t think it would be as big of a problem. I would just leave extra early like it would take fifteen minutes or ten minutes to walk to class but this would take me twenty-five minutes.
R: So, I would just leave early, btu like in the instance of Saint Joe’s to get to the library you are unable too from the east side of campus. You would have to go all the way round Campion and go in from that side.
R: Because there are stairs to get up to Barberlin and then stairs by Sweeney field.
G: Right and there are sort of ramps that convert themselves into stairs.
R: Yeah like who designed this campus, I get that we are eighteen and twenty-one but you have to make some updates at some point. *Laughter*
G: Right it’s tricky because like you said the way the campus is laid out its like because its on so many elevations your trying to play catch up to try and make it accessible for people. It’s like you have consistently have to re-design pathways and things like that based on where people need to get to. Like if you open up a new building or something like that then suddenly people need a way to get there from their other classes.
R: Yeah I mean Barbelin hasn’t been updated in like a hundred years that place is ancient.
G: Yeah, I know one of the people that the hawk interviewed, he was a computer science major and he has had a lot of classes in Barbelin and he never went inside the building.
R: Yeah that’s a sad story.
R: Like that’s his major and all his professors had all their offices in there. He was actually constricted to a wheel chair so he could never have classes in Barberlin or talk to his professors or use the technology in there.
G: It’s tricky to cause like you said Barbelin hasn’t been updated in a long time probably because you can’t. There aren’t that many ways to redesign Barbelin, you know. It’s sort of like stone on the outside and its built in this very specific and sometimes really hard to navigate system of corridors. So you’re going to try to add ways to get in from the outside it’s tricky, because you have to renegotiate a lot of the structures and walls and things like that. So what were some challenges you faced while you were injured that you didn’t realize would be a challenge when you werent.
R: I never left my apartment.
R: I would just eat there and sleep there and would never leave, unless like I had class or something, which I ended up skipping often like because maybe it was raining or like I just did not want to crutch the half mile walk to bellermen or whatever and I knew public safety would just screw me over. So you know that impacted my grades a lot which I didn’t expect. I didn’t see sunlight a lot cause I would just stay in my apartment. *Laughter* Yeah it was just like a pretty bad experience and Saint Joe’s didn’t do anything to help me with it.
G: If you could sort of snap your fingers and make a change would you institute some kind of specialized means of transportation for people dealing with disabilities?
R: Yeah lik if you walk around campus during the day. I don’t know I like I don’t think i’ve seen like somebody in a wheelchair on campus or you know you see athletes that usually have a broken foot or something or have trouble get around campus. So like the actual amount of people would would need public safety services like in this situation. I dont think it’s very like, I dont think it’s a big amount of people.
G: And it’s constantly changing too which it tricky because people get over the injury
R: yeah and that’s not a whole semester that will last, it’s maybe six weeks or something like eight weeks.
G: But you’re thinking maybe there should be some kind of, easy dedicated system like the one you almost worked out. Where they’re easy scheduled rides.
R: Yeah, I mean Grover he put it up to lack of funding and lack of staffing, which is just BS like what’s our tution like fifty grand or something?
G: Yeah giving the problems, I mean actually getting around trickiest things about the accessibility issue, especially because our campus is so big. Thinking about what we could do to move that issue that’s kind of high priority. So it kind of feels like maybe that should be one of the things that funding goes into and maybe that could be public safety and maybe it could be disability services.
R: I think there is like a law that the office of disabilities has to look at the campus every six months or something to make sure it’s handicap accessible.
G: Right there is a committee meeting twice a year. Which maybe should be a little…
R: I don’t know how this campus passes.
G: Well yeah, I mean maybe they should, maybe have perhaps more funding dedicated to it. Not sure. Like I said I don’t necessarily know where that funding would go or come from, but maybe something like that, that could help students getting around, where maybe the student wouldn’t have to put in as much work. Maybe that would have helped.
R: You’ve been in the building we’re in now. It’s a former house, it’s hard to renieviet that to be handicap accessible or accessible to somebody who isn’t perfectly able bodied.
G: Yeah, like I said with the older buildings it’s hard, it’s like you have to rebuild one side of the building. So you kind of have to find ways other than dedicated reconstruction. Because if you do a dedicated reconstruction to, people can’t really use that building for the time being, I think. And a lot of exits and entrances are blocked up while you know you add a new one or add a seperate way to get to it. So a lot of it is kind of disruptive which is why you know it helps that individuals really put in a lot with regard to giving a little bit more slack to people who are injured; or making sure people get where they need to go. Which is why I was, I’m glad we were able to bring a little bit of attention to this. Because it seems like with athletes like you and a lot of others who are injured, that is the type of things they struggle with. You know getting up a flight of stairs or getting across campus especially when they have to get to classes that fit around their schedule. You know a lot of you take night classes. It’s an issue that I have seen, I’ve seen multiple deal with it.
R: Yes it’s definitely something that I took for granted, prior to getting hurt. Being able to walk to class in a timely fashion. Or walking to Merion hall, so far away on the Magior side of campus.
G: Yeah it’s almost weird cause like you’re in athletics your job is moving and then you get something that just kinda knocks you out of the game so to speak. It’s like you can’t move nearly the way you could before and it’s a shock to the system sort of; it’s like you can’t really understand it unless you’re in it. You know? Anyway thank you so much for your input.
G: We appreciate you here.
R: Thank you for having me, I appreciate it.
G: Yeah, and we hope to hear from students and other athletes who can maybe contribute a little bit more to this issue. We’re glad to hear about your experience and hope that we can maybe change things so that it will be a little bit easier for athletes in the future. But thanks so much.
R: Yeah thank you for having me.
Paige: Well that concludes our interviews. Thank you so much to Ryan and Jessi for coming and speaking with us. We know speaking on a public platform about issues that you may have faced on this campus the good and the bad can be quite difficult.
Gavin: Right and we appreciate their time and input and we hope to hear more from other faculty and students in the future. It’s an evolving issue and we hope to bring you more details on how universities respond to issues of disabilities and accessibility.
P: That being said if you have any input of somebody that you think be great to come in and speak on our podcast. Please feel free to reach out we are getting our social media up and running sometime soon so you should be able to search us at the bloom project. Tune in next week where we will be discussing another branch of universal design and accessibility concerns.
G: Thanks so much for listening everybody we appreciate your time.
P: Have a good week.